Archive for July, 2008

Fleet Cycles – Fremantle and Perth, Western Australia

Aushiker | July 20, 2008 7:47 pm

I have decided to copy over my postings on my experiences with Fleet Cycles at Fremantle and Perth, here in Western Australia.  The actions of Fleet Cycles have from my personal perspective cost them the sale of a new bike.  They had a roadie I was very interested in but since it was Fleet and given my experience with them I brought my Look 555 from TBE Belmont instead.  My experience with Fleet Cycles also contrasts with my very positive experiences with Bike Force Fremantle.

My first and main postings on Fleet Cycle are repeated below.  The first posting was originally posted in the Bicycles Network Australia forums on June 11, 2007. If interested you can click through for the remainder of the discussion.

Having just brought my first serious bike (Giant CRX 1) I thought I would share my experience with bike shops and Fleet Cycles in Fremantle in particular.

I should qualify this posting in that I am a raw newbie when it comes to cycling and had a Giant CRX 1 in mind based on advice from a couple of serious cycling friends. The purchase whilst being considered for some time, was a “spur of moment” thing on the day. That is decided to go look at bikes and walked out with a long cash-receipt docket.

Before going to Fleet I did drop in on two other bike shops in Fremantle, Bike Force and the one in South Street near the hospital (name escapes me).

The South Street bike shop had nothing to compare to the CRX 1 and indicated nothing was coming in. That ended things. This surprised me a bit as I have brought a bike for my son from them in the past and found them more informative at that time.

I then dropped into Bike Force. No Giants, fair enough. Asked about alternatives. “Yeah we have this this Trek – $1600.” That it? “Yep.” That was about the end of the conversation. Again didn’t seem interested in selling it to me or maybe I came accross as not interested. Don’t know but found them really not interested in treating me as a serious customer.

This lead me to Fleet. Big bike shop, lots of options. Had Giant’s including a CRX 1 but not in my size. Salesperson was very helpful, went over the bike, compared it against about three others for me. Highlighting postives and negatives. Had me try a couple for size so we worked out I needed a 55 CRX 1 if I was interested. He then went through accessories options (some I raised, e.g., panniers, shoes) and some he suggested. Felt he was trying and was giving reasonable advice given my experience and riding expecations.

Overall found him helpful with respect to advice and the selling price and pricing was good I think. Plus Fleet offer 10% off on all future purchases.

Now the downside. I picked the bike up on Saturday.

    • No effort was made to confirm that the seat hike was correct (it was and probably from the trying of bikes the week before) but would have liked this checked I think;
    • No advice given on rider adjustments, e.g, seat angle was not correct;
    • Clipless pedals not adjusted to the shoes I brought at the same time nor was I shown how to adjust them. I managed to work this out before my first ride but it was a frustrating 30 minutes.
  • In hindsight and this is partly my fault but I felt the advice on a computer and lights could have been better. I am already looking to upgrade the lighting and the computer after a week. Ah well. Just pays to do the research first I guess.

Summary: Good sales process, reasonable pricing, reasonably good advice given, but very disappointing in terms of setting up bike at pick-up.

My second and last dealing with Fleet Cycles was in August 2007 when I had my rear dérailleur snap and I leant first hand the experience of being treated by Fleet Cycles with contempt.  The thread related to this discussion can be found in the Bicycles Network Australia forum.

My opening posting in respect to my issue with the dérailleur follows:

On my run from Joondalup to Fremantle this evening I managed to snap off completely my rear dérailleur and snap my chain. Not 100% sure what happened but was coming up a short steep hill and I think I had just changed down a gear as there was a dad and his kid to get around while still putting on pressure for the climb.

Anyway the whole (dérailleur) snapped and then the chain popped a link.

I am interested in knowing what I did or what could have caused this to happen and secondly if it is likely to be a warranty repair? The later question really drives where I take it to get repaired. If not warranty I will go to my local lbs otherwise I need to take it into town to Fleet Cycles (more hassle).

Followed by this posting a few days latter:

Bike is two months old. Bike was serviced by Fleet Cycles last Friday. Bike is back in to Fleet Cycles today … bill is likely to be around $200. All they are offering is 10% off which I get as a bike purchaser anyway.

Will it ever go back to Fleet Cycles. Not unless it is a clear warranty issue.

Will I ever buy from Fleet Cycles again or recommend Fleet Cycles, no. Just one to many “issues.” This may or may not have been their fault. I don’t know, but there is just something about their approach … It does not work for me.

And again later on:

But the bike was serviced by Fleet Cycles on Friday so why would the dérailleur be misadjusted as per the manual?

I have told manager that I was very disappointed, will tell all and sundry of my experiences, will not purchase a bike from them, etc. Response was …. well basically there wasn’t a response.

They also reckon the bolt holding the guide pulley was pulled out when the chain jammed. I need to check the dérailleur for any evidence of thread damage.

I have decided to pick up the bike and the damaged dérailleur from Fleet first thing Friday morning, pay the bill, check it as carefully as I can, and then lodge a formal compliant with the DECP and Giant.

If nothing else it will give them the hassle of responding to this and they will have to demonstrate that they handled the service correctly and follow-up correctly.

BTW they also said the rear wheel was loose when I took it in last Friday. I hadn’t touched the rear wheel at all (all my punctures to that point had been the front tire) and saw no sign of this. Given the skewer lever sits in a formed locking point, can they come loose without intervention?

If interested I suggest you follow the links for the full thread.

If you have a disappointing experience with Fleet Cycles you would like to share, please post a comment here.  If you have a positive experience with Fleet Cycles you would like to share, I suggest you let Fleet Cycles know or post in the Bicycles Network Australia forums.  I am not interested in prompting Fleet Cycles and I don’t apologise for that.

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Mountain Bike Challenge for Camp Quality

Aushiker | July 17, 2008 2:26 pm

The Western Australian Police Commissioner is heading up the inaugural Police Commissioner’s Mountain Bike Challenge for Charity which takes place on September 7, 2008 (Father’s Day).

Participants have four different ride options ranging from 15km through to 84km.  The shortest ride takes participants to Mundaring Weir, while the longer routes offer rides to Lake Leschenaultia or Bakers Hill and return. There is even one option that starts in Northam and finishes with the other rides in Mundaring.

Further details on the challenge can be found at WA Police website.

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2008 Look 555 Owner Review

Aushiker | July 12, 2008 4:24 pm

Froggie Look 555

 

Froggie’s Maintenance History can be found here.

The latest edition to my bike fleet is a roadie, a 2008 Look 555 [link takes you to more photos], named "Froggie" which I purchased in June 2008 from TBE Belmont. This post reflects my purchase experience and life on the rode with Froggie my 2008 Look 555. Froggie’s role in my fleet is as a fine weather commuter (no load), "Sunday" ride, and hopefully as a masters level racer and Audax style ride in the relatively near future.

In respect to Look bikes, there is a Look forum for those wishing to discuss Look bikes.

Description and Ride Impressions | Purchase ExperienceSpecifications and Modifications


Description and Ride Impressions

Look describe the 555:

The 555 uses "tube to tube" technology. So, for this model there are no Aluminium lugs, nor monobloc construction. For the 555, oversized tubes are molded then cut, shaped at the ends in order to be assembled as if they were welded. Welding is replaced by bonding, reinforced with carbon strips to ensure a perfect cohesion of the frame assembly. To optimize frame comfort, our engineers have developed a special geometry for the chain and seat stays. The Comfort Concept chainstays present a center section inversion which is achieved by flattening. This creates an inflection point at the middle of the base and so improves vertical flexibility. At the same time, this shape increased the base horizontally, and improves lateral stiffness. The seat stays are slightly curved in order to encourage the absorption of vibrations and so optimizing comfort.

Purchase Experience

I purchased the bike from TBE Belmont and only came across the bike by chance as I was passing the store, decided to drop in for a bit of look, was about to leave when I spotted the 555 and decided to give it a bit of a ride. Took it for a quick spin around the store and it didn’t feel right. The salesperson adjusted the seat and off I went again. It felt much better this time and given the spec, feel of the ride, and the price I asked them to put a hold on it. I phoned the next day, putting a deposit down arranging to pick it up on Friday and I was expecting the bike to be set-up to suit me then. Wrong!

I get there Friday and basically there was no one there to set-up the bike. Not a good look. The best they could offer was for me to take the bike over to their Osborne Park store which I did. After some mucking around my in-seam was taken, some measurements done on the bike and basically it was determined the stem length was wrong (too long) and the implication being the frame size wrong for me. They offered to get in a replacement stem at my cost since Belmont did the sale. I initially agreed to this and left with the bike, deciding this was not the right place or time to push my concerns The next day I phoned TBE Belmont and expressed my concerns and was invited to bring the bike in for David Rice to look at it and myself riding it. So back to TBE I go. A lap or two up the front and yes the stem needed shortening. The took the bike about the back and fitted a 100 mm stem and I tried it again. It felt okay at the store and so I went with that. However after a few rides now, I am of the view the that the stem is still to long and a 90 mm would be more suitable. I am going to take this back up with TBE at the first service.

Whilst TBE did sort the problem, I felt their handling of the sale on the Friday pickup was really not up to expectations, they have attempted to remedy the situation. I have learnt a couple of lessons from this experience … make sure you have a good handle on what bike fit is all about and make sure that the bike shop knows that you expect them to fit it properly when pick-up is arranged.

It will be interesting to see what happens when it goes in for its six week service and I request that the stem gets swapped out for a shorter one.

Specifications and Modifications

June 29, 2008

  • Fitted two Token TK943 Pyrotec carbon bottle cages. I purchased these from Torpedo 7 for $29.66 each delivered.
  • Fitted Garmin GSC10 speed and cadence sensor for my Garmin Edge 305. The mount was purchased from Geomangear.com for $47.50.
  • Fitted Cannondale Airspeed carbon pump. I purchased the pump from Chain Reaction Cycles for $44.74 delivered.

The 555 was purchased or is now with the following specifications [click here for the geometry chart]:

Frame: HM (High Modulus) HR (High Resistance) Carbon Fibre
Forks: Look HSC-4 Full Carbon
Size: XL 58 cm
Colour: Black/White
Front Dérailleur: Shimano Ultegra SL 10 speed
Rear Dérailleur: Shimano Ultegra SL 10 speed
Gear Levers: Shimano Ultegra SL
Shifters: Shimano Ultegra SL STI Dual Control
Brakes: Shimano Ultegra SL
Cranks: Shimano Ultegra SL 39/53T
Chain: Shimano Ultegra Super Narrow Chain for 10-Speed
Hubs: Mavic Ksyrium Equipe – 9 x 100 / 9 x 130
Rims: Mavic Ksyrium Equipe
Spokes: Mavic Ksyrium Equipe – 18 / 20
Tyres: Continental Grand Prix 4000 S
Cassette Sprocket: Shimano Ultegra CS-6600 11-23
Handlebars: FSA SL-K 31.8mm
Stem: FSA OS-150 100 mm
Saddle:Selle Italia Maxflite Gel Flow 2008 Black – Vanox Rails
Pedals: Look Keo Sprint
Retail: $4399 – Purchased for $3079.30

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Temporary Closure of Perth to Fremantle Principal Shared Path – Thomas Street to Campbell Street, West Perth

Aushiker | July 3, 2008 1:03 pm

A short section of the Perth to Fremantle Principle Shared Path (PSP) between Thomas Street and Campbell Street, West Perth will be temporarily closed between 9am and 4pm for approximately five days commencing 14 July 2008.

The closure is required to allow tilt-up concrete panels to be erected on a work site abutting the PSP near City West Station.

Falling concrete tilt-up concrete panels have caused several deaths on Western Australian work sites and as a result pedestrians and cyclists will not be allowed within the potential drop zone while lifting work is underway.

The PSP will be open during peak hours to minimise disturbance to commuters, but between 9am and 4pm pedestrians and cyclists will be asked to detour via the local path and road network on surrounding streets.

A photo/map of the area impacted can be found on the Department for Planning and Infrastructure website.

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